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Yep. I've seen it happen on this forum at least twice.

Oh here's something to read.

A Chinese court has sentenced prominent human rights activist Xu Zhiyong to four years in prison.
Xu, who campaigned for children's rights and against corruption, was convicted of "gathering crowds to disrupt public order".
Several other activists from a transparency movement are facing similar charges.
Rights groups have criticised President Xi Jinping - who pledged to fight corruption - over their cases.
Xu was arrested in July 2013 and the trial began on Wednesday.


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Yep. I've seen it happen on this forum at least twice.

Oh here's something to read.

A Chinese court has sentenced prominent human rights activist Xu Zhiyong to four years in prison.
Xu, who campaigned for children's rights and against corruption, was convicted of "gathering crowds to disrupt public order".
Several other activists from a transparency movement are facing similar charges.
Rights groups have criticised President Xi Jinping - who pledged to fight corruption - over their cases.
Xu was arrested in July 2013 and the trial began on Wednesday.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-25900272


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Yep, they're sure overly sensitive when it comes to protests. I wish more would protest, and more corrupt "civil" servants get jailed. But... to think that the chinese gov't. would have the time and the people to monitor even foreign sites? seems a bit far-fetched. IIRC, this site is banned in china, and people from there who log in have to use vpn, which makes it a bit hard to trace, doesn't it?
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Well like I said I've seen two of them stop posting after a few days and no one gave them a bad time, they just started talking about how their country had 'this' issue then bam. Gone...

This is a popular forum. Maybe their government keeps track of it.
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Well like I said I've seen two of them stop posting after a few days and no one gave them a bad time, they just started talking about how their country had 'this' issue then bam. Gone...

This is a popular forum. Maybe their government keeps track of it.
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General Ahn was not just a nameless assassin.

Republic of Korea Resistance Army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Ahn Jung-Geun

He kept his pride as a general in the court ruled by Japanese and held his head high.

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General Ahn was not just a nameless assassin.

Republic of Korea Resistance Army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Ahn Jung-Geun

He kept his pride as a general in the court ruled by Japanese and held his head high.


As he should. Korean fighting spirit should be recognized. I just wish Chinese were more aggresive against Japanese.
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General Ahn was not just a nameless assassin.

Republic of Korea Resistance Army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Ahn Jung-Geun

He kept his pride as a general in the court ruled by Japanese and held his head high.
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As he should. Korean fighting spirit should be recognized. I just wish Chinese were more aggresive against Japanese.
I think it's a delicate balancing game, and also a question of timing...
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As he should. Korean fighting spirit should be recognized. I just wish Chinese were more aggresive against Japanese.
How were the Koreans more aggressive than the Chinese against Japan? Japan subdued, occupied, and then annexed Korea with three pieces of paper, while the Chinese fought Japan longer than any other nation on Earth. China only fought longer continuously against one other enemy, the Mongols......

Korean fighting spirit was indeed great at one time, but 1905, 1907 and 1910 were the low points of Korean history. The Korean government betrayed the Korean Emperor Gojang.

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China fought over 100 major battles against Japan in WWII. The delicate balancing and timing was mainly the Communists.
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China has more suppression than any of the western countries. Look at our membership here. Every time a Chinese member shows the slightest protest against the PRC they vanish.
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How were the Koreans more aggressive than the Chinese against Japan? Japan subdued, occupied, and then annexed Korea with three pieces of paper, while the Chinese fought Japan longer than any other nation on Earth. China only fought longer continuously against one other enemy, the Mongols......

Korean fighting spirit was indeed great at one time, but 1905, 1907 and 1910 were the low points of Korean history. The Korean government betrayed the Korean Emperor Gojang.


China fought over 100 major battles against Japan in WWII. The delicate balancing and timing was mainly the Communists.
Thank you for correcting me. But ultimately China (Qing Dynasty) failed the Korean people. Joseon Dynasty placed their trust in Chinese, but it did not turn out so well for them. Korea was a tributary state of China. China lost Formosa and Ryukyus along with Korean to Japan.

But I can't help it, but one man was able to shot the first PM of Japan. It took not only guts and luck, but I am sure he was smart and skilled. A hero in my opinion, despite what today's pro-imperialism Japanese Government. They still don't get that Korean and Chinese people cannot accept their version of history.
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Thank you for correcting me. But ultimately China (Qing Dynasty) failed the Korean people. Joseon Dynasty placed their trust in Chinese, but it did not turn out so well for them. Korea was a tributary state of China. China lost Formosa and Ryukyus along with Korean to Japan.
Ryuku Islands.
The Ryukus were never a vassal Kingdom, it's administration by the Fujian Chinese was by invitation extended by the Ryuku King to the Emperor of Ming. Ryuku's 'conquest' by the Japanese was in 1609, during the time of Ming and 35 years before the rise of Qing. There was no united or Imperial Japan (Japanese Emperors were just ceremonial figureheads then) at that time, the invasion was launched by the Shimazu Clan of Satsuma.......the same clan that later helped to overthrow the Tokugawa Shogunate and bring about the Meiji Restoration that rewarded Satsuma with heavy representation in Japanese politics. The people of Ryuku were peaceful and were ordered not to resist the Japanese because they valued individual life over all else. Ryuku continued to pay tribute to China up until during the Meiji era due to a loophole exploited by the Japanese in order to trade with China. The myth of Ryuku being independent was kept up until the Taiwan Expedition of 1874 and Ryuku was not formally annexed until 1879.

Taiwan.
A Ryukyuan ship wrecked off the coast of Taiwan in December 1871. The majority of the crew was beheaded by the aboriginals. Twelve were rescued by Han Chinese and were transferred to the Fujian Province in Mainland China were then sent back home safely. The Japanese demanded compensation, but were denied on the ground that it was an internal affair as Taiwan was Chinese territory and Ryuku was Chinese tributary. The Japanese Foreign Minister went to Beijing and got an audience with The Emperor which was a political triumph in itself as The Son of Heaven don't do audiences. What came out of all this was that the Japanese were able to spin things their way and claim that China had renounced sovereignty over Ryuku and Taiwan. The American Military Adviser to Japan told them they had to take matters into their own hands.

Korea.
Korea failed Korea. They shot at the wrong people, such as Americans during the General Sherman Incident, and signed one bad treaty after another with Japan beginning in the 1870s. Signing unfair treaties seemed to have plagued them. How stupid were the treaties? How about like having to pay reparations to Japan because a famine prevented Korea to ship soybeans to the Japanese importers? Korea became bankrupt as a result.

The Korean Military was unpaid and as a result, a mutiny occurred. The peasants went hungry and as a result, a rebellion occurred. Disgruntled politicians blamed the pro-Chinese, and as a result a bloody coup. The even more disgruntled politicians now seeing how the Japanese were really out to screw them initiated an equally bloody counter-coup. Too much bad **** going on, so now appeal to China for help. China sends troops to put things in order, but now Japan sees opening. Qing has been in rapid decline for last century, two Opium Wars, French-Sino War, Boxer Rebellion, Chinese Empire being cut up into more slices than a New York pizza, etc. Qing's last gasp was in defense of Korea aka as First Sino-Japanese War. Losing that war was the death knell of The Qing, the Chinese people lost faith in the dynasty that lost a protectorate of nearly two thousand years to Japan. The United States declared that it would not interfere in Korea, Russia got her ass kicked by Japan in 1905, Britain and France supported Japan. What the heck could the dying Qing do? For the first time in East Asia, Japan, not China was the regional power. I would also point out that although Korea was more or less pro-Chinese until the late 1800s, it was in reality pro-Han. The earliest Korean dynasties were Han, her greatest protectors were Han (Han, Tang, Song, Ming). She was conquered and subjugated by non-Han (Yuan and Qing) and finally the Japanese without much of a fight.

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I agree that he was a hero.

Japanese write history differently. Ito Hirobumi was the first, fifth, seventh, and tenth Prime Minister of Japan. However, when he was shot and killed, he was the Resident-General of Korea..........a military governor and a samurai which is fair game in partisan warfare, and not some peaceful politician on vacation to China.

I don't have time to look it up now, but there were also Koreans assassinated in China by the Japanese. Of course, they would deny it.
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Dear Salinator:

Thanks so much for your sharing of information.

This is from wikipedia.

First see the first paragraph, Japanese Revisionist version history of surrendering of Chinese Navy, but in reality; it never happened.

I read your history, and I will do more research on them, and thanks for the wonderful new information I can digest and consider.

This reason I say China lost Korea, Taiwan, and Ryukyus is because not only the Wiki, but I studies history in Taiwan as well. This was what was taught. Of course I study history from multiple angles and sources. I would never take one version as the truth. I will also do more reading on your information. The fact will always be fact. The loss of First Sino-Japanese War of 1895 was what led to scholars and intellectuals loss of faith in Qing Dynasty.

I will be making my 8th trip to Hawaii in March. The Xin Chung Huay, (China Revival Society) the organization Sun Yat sen was started in Honolulu China Town area that started the overthrow of Qing Dynasty. I not only enjoy the beauty of Hawaii, but also appreciate that Chinese Nationalist and Dr. Sun's vision of Chinese Democracy was envisioned in the island of Paradise. I will always think Hawaii is a Holy place for Chinese.


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Revisionist depiction of Chinese delegation, led by Admiral Ding Ruchang and their foreign advisors, boarding the Japanese vessel to negotiate the surrender with Admiral Itō Sukeyuki after the Battle of Weihaiwei. In reality, Ding had committed suicide after his defeat and never surrendered.


The Treaty of Shimonoseki was signed on 17 April 1895. China recognized the total independence of Korea and ceded the Liaodong Peninsula (in the south of the present day Liaoning Province), Taiwan and the Penghu Islands to Japan "in perpetuity". The disputed islands known as "Senkaku / Diaoyu" islands were not named by this treaty, but Japan annexed these uninhabited islands to Okinawa prefecture in 1895. China asserts this move was taken independently of the treaty ending the war, and Japan asserts that they were implied as part of the cession of Taiwan.
Additionally, China was to pay Japan 200 million Kuping taels as reparation. China also signed a commercial treaty permitting Japanese ships to operate on the Yangtze River, to operate manufacturing factories in treaty ports and to open four more ports to foreign trade. The Triple Intervention, however, forced Japan to give up the Liaodong Peninsula in exchange for another 30 million Kuping taels (450 million yen).
After the war, according to the Chinese scholar, Jin Xide, the Qing government paid a total of 34,000,000 taels ( 13,600 tons ) of silver to Japan for both the reparations of war and war trophies. This was equivalent to (then) 510,000,000 Japanese yen, about 6.4 times the Japanese government revenue.
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Main article: Japanese Invasion of Taiwan (1895)
Several Qing officials in Taiwan resolved to resist the cession of Taiwan to Japan under the Treaty of Shimonoseki, and on 23 May declared the island to be an independent Republic of Formosa. On 29 May Japanese forces under Admiral Motonori Kabayama landed in northern Taiwan, and in a five-month campaign defeated the Republican forces and occupied the island's main towns. The campaign effectively ended on 21 October 1895, with the flight of Liu Yung-fu, the second Republican president, and the surrender of the Republican capital Tainan.
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