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Old 03 Oct 17, 13:47
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And when was the last time that there was a mass shooting in Italy Marc? Give up? In Milan 1993; five dead, 12 wounded. Now compare that to what just happened in Vegas. Come on Marc, I should be able to expect better from you. By the by, organized crime and crooked cops up do all those things that you talk about right here in the good old US of A.
When was the last mass shooting by an Italian American? St Valentines Day may be? Not their thing.
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When was the last mass shooting by an Italian American? St Valentines Day may be? Not their thing.
Their thing is bombings: from the horse-drawn cart on Wall Street to the prosecutors in Palermo, Italians have always preferred bombs. When Carmine Galante was recruiting Zips as enforcers in Brooklyn, he had to condition them to prefer firearms over bombs like Pavlovian dogs. That may explain why they turned on him so easily, belying their reputation for loyalty.



And don't look at me: I was nine at the time, and fifty miles away when he got clipped.
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What I mean is that the gulf exists and is enforced by law.
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I don't think that this Gulf is as important as you think.
For example, ISIS has nothing more sophisticated than an armored truck that can fire Rockets.
And yet somehow, all of the Ballyhoo in the world has not conquered them yet.


Okay, goofy example, but I think you get the point.

An insurgency is not dependent on heavy weaponry. It is determination and a willingness to take casualties that make it a winner... or a loser.

The Tanker and the bomber pilot all need to sleep sometime, and the minor functionaries can't do their jobs from inside a Green Zone. And when they are outnumbered by 50-1 by a hostile or even indifferent population, then they are extremely vulnerable.
This is also where the ordinary rifle or handgun becomes crucial, and all the frustrated despots out there know it.
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I can give you any number of old out of date quotes from the Bible that are just as out dated.
The UK is relatively unarmed compared to Americans. Do you fear for your freedom? Didn't thinks so.
1- Are you saying the Constitution (especially the 2nd Amendment) is outdated?
As for the Bible I could give you a truckload of quotes from it that support weapon ownership, for example when they came to arrest Jesus his right-hand man Peter sliced off the high priest's lackeys ear with a sword..

2- I live 50 yards from the Atlantic ocean so if a muslim terror squad lands by boat and goes on a killing spree I suppose I could clobber them with a cricket bat, but I'd rather have a gun..
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1- Are you saying the Constitution (especially the 2nd Amendment) is outdated?
Lots of cherry-picking going on, kinda like calls for restricting the First Amendment.

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As for the Bible I could give you a truckload of quotes from it that support weapon ownership, for example when they came to arrest Jesus his right-hand man Peter sliced off the high priest's lackeys ear with a sword..
Naughty boy, that Peter.

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2- I live 50 yards from the Atlantic ocean so if a muslim terror squad lands by boat and goes on a killing spree I suppose I could clobber them with a cricket bat, but I'd rather have a gun..
Have you considered an improvised explosive device?
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1- Are you saying the Constitution (especially the 2nd Amendment) is outdated?
As for the Bible I could give you a truckload of quotes from it that support weapon ownership, for example when they came to arrest Jesus his right-hand man Peter sliced off the high priest's lackeys ear with a sword..
and was rebuked by Christ who healed the wound.

No constitution drawn up by man can withstand the travails of time un amended. Note the title - the 2nd Amendment. Conditions change, technology and societies move on and possibly amendments need to be reviewed from time to time -what applied to agricultural communities with single shot muzzle loading weapons may not be suitable for a semi urbanised folk with high velocity rapid fire weaponry today.
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1- Are you saying the Constitution (especially the 2nd Amendment) is outdated?
As for the Bible I could give you a truckload of quotes from it that support weapon ownership, for example when they came to arrest Jesus his right-hand man Peter sliced off the high priest's lackeys ear with a sword..

2- I live 50 yards from the Atlantic ocean so if a muslim terror squad lands by boat and goes on a killing spree I suppose I could clobber them with a cricket bat, but I'd rather have a gun..
I happen to live in a pretty rural location so a phone call to the sheriff will take at least a half hour for them to get here. I'm glad that I have the right to own guns.

Ans that in one of the stringent states regarding restrictions...
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1- Are you saying the Constitution (especially the 2nd Amendment) is outdated?
As for the Bible I could give you a truckload of quotes from it that support weapon ownership, for example when they came to arrest Jesus his right-hand man Peter
Right-hand man ? That's not PC : following the pope, Peter was his left-hand man .
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I happen to live in a pretty rural location so a phone call to the sheriff will take at least a half hour for them to get here. I'm glad that I have the right to own guns.

Ans that in one of the stringent states regarding restrictions...
You could ask for the body-guards of Hillary,but the risk is that they would join the invaders .(Birds of a feather.....)
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and was rebuked by Christ who healed the wound.
Last time I checked, you ain't Christ.

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No constitution drawn up by man can withstand the travails of time un amended. Note the title - the 2nd Amendment. Conditions change, technology and societies move on and possibly amendments need to be reviewed from time to time -what applied to agricultural communities with single shot muzzle loading weapons may not be suitable for a semi urbanised folk with high velocity rapid fire weaponry today.
Funny how Englishmen's taste for little boys -- and the Crown's propensity for shielding them from justice -- is eternal. Make no mistake about it: the state is not your friend. Not my state mine, nor your state yours. They'll shaft quicker than they can deposit your taxes. Give me one good reason why they shouldn't fear their own citizens.

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The answer is simple; get 2/3rds of both houses to amend the Constitution.
Two thirds of both Houses of the US Congress -- and three-quarters of the states. Or a constituional convention, whichever comes first.
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Two thirds of both Houses of the US Congress -- and three-quarters of the states. Or a constituional convention, whichever comes first.
I doubt that they can get 2/3 of both houses to propose it let alone 3/4 of the states to ratify it.
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I doubt that they can get 2/3 of both houses to propose it let alone 3/4 of the states to ratify it.
Once upon a time that's what they said about the XVIII Amendment too. . . . .
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Once upon a time that's what they said about the XVIII Amendment too. . . . .
I agree, this is exactly why I brought it up. There is a method to amending the Constitution, restricting or modifying current amendments is not how it is supposed to happen.
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