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Yep - and we also know that blacks were rounded up in Africa and sold into slavery by their fellow Africans, NOT by European whites, but try pointing that out to a black person.
Why would you go around pointing that out to a black people? Don't you have any social tact? I thought PS was the only autist here. I mean, you don't go pointing out potatoes to irish or nazi flags to germans or Trump to americans.

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Person 2: Ah, it is, just like in history when africans sold each other to slavery
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Despite all of the commentary against my proposal, it still remains a viable and likely solution to the current social problems.

We already have segments of our population who teach that evolution is wrong and have substituted Creationism for reality.

We already have segments of the population that are eliminating "painful memories" (what a joke - none of them were there to "remember" anything) of the "repression" represented by the Civil War.

We already have rabidly activist segments of our population devoted to white supremacy, so it's only a matter of time before a new history is born, in which slavery is an invention of blacks in order to play whites into providing huge social advantages in the form of quotas, special admissions rules, job preferences and so forth...oops! We already have all of that!

Of course, one day the Hispanics will realize what an advantage it will be to remind the world of their enslavement by the Europeans, and the whole thing will begin again.
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Yep - and we also know that blacks were rounded up in Africa and sold into slavery by their fellow Africans, NOT by European whites, but try pointing that out to a black person.
Black Africans were 'rounded up' and sold to Arab traders who took them to the coast and sold them to white Europeans as slaves. Then they were transported in European or American slave ships to the Americas.

You might want to take a look at some references that actually are based on facts.

Does the term 'triangle trade' ring a bell?
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Of course, one day the Hispanics will realize what an advantage it will be to remind the world of their enslavement by the Europeans, and the whole thing will begin again.
Do you know who the 'Hispanics' are descended from? The Spanish surnames might give you a little hint.

And the Spanish, along with the Portuguese, were the largest group of slave traders in the Western Hemisphere-and they were white Europeans.
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The current american revisionism seems to be all about "we/I did that".
Did your President ever try to tell you; "You didn't build that!"
Obama did say that to us.

You know, its up to you, but you might want to give us a break once in a while.
It is people like you that make Americans think that the rest of the world hates us, and for some cheap and petty reasons.

Now watch this guy justify that by listing "reasons" that justify hatred, just as I know he must. Lefties can't help it
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Once all the Nazis (conservative white males) have been killed off and the progressive paradise is implemented them slavery will be written out of the history.
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Did your President ever try to tell you; "You didn't build that!"
Obama did say that to us.

You know, its up to you, but you might want to give us a break once in a while.
It is people like you that make Americans think that the rest of the world hates us, and for some cheap and petty reasons.

Now watch this guy justify that by listing "reasons" that justify hatred, just as I know he must. Lefties can't help it
I am no fan of Obama, but of course there is a grain of truth in what he says. If you think you are not standing on the shoulder of your ancestors then you are deluded; the prime purpose of human being is to make life better for the coming generations. Success is build upon success and so forth. If you for example use internet for making a living it doesn't mean you can take credit for coming up with internet.

Again; I don't really care what Obama meant with that statement, doesn't seem like anyone in your country does either.

My point was rather for example the countless Americans here saying they saved Europe during WW2, which itself is quite controversial statement. Ever more so because, AFAIK, we only have one or two members who were old enough to participate in WW2, the rest of the people taking credit weren't even born. Yet they see fit to claim it as their personal accomplishment. Nostalgia or nationalism, I don't know or care what it is; you weren't there and you didn't do it. Perhaps your dad, your grandad, your mother or grandmother was; you weren't. Don't take credit. Funnily enough, the same people would not be prepared to do any of those things; yet they claim the glory. Not that this is anything new, nationalism has been around for quite a long time...but at least you used to know the difference between that and patriotism.
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Once all the Nazis (conservative white males) have been killed off and the progressive paradise is implemented them slavery will be written out of the history.
Well, the old kind of slavery at least. The new kind (see the Soviet Union) will flourish in the liberal's new paradise.
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Here are some facts that you conveniently left out. Blacks did enslave their own, and they are still doing it.



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Black Africans were 'rounded up' and sold to Arab traders who took them to the coast and sold them to white Europeans as slaves. Then they were transported in European or American slave ships to the Americas.

You might want to take a look at some references that actually are based on facts.

Does the term 'triangle trade' ring a bell?
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I am no fan of Obama, but of course there is a grain of truth in what he says. If you think you are not standing on the shoulder of your ancestors then you are deluded; the prime purpose of human being is to make life better for the coming generations. Success is build upon success and so forth. If you for example use internet for making a living it doesn't mean you can take credit for coming up with internet.

Again; I don't really care what Obama meant with that statement, doesn't seem like anyone in your country does either.

My point was rather for example the countless Americans here saying they saved Europe during WW2, which itself is quite controversial statement. Ever more so because, AFAIK, we only have one or two members who were old enough to participate in WW2, the rest of the people taking credit weren't even born. Yet they see fit to claim it as their personal accomplishment. Nostalgia or nationalism, I don't know or care what it is; you weren't there and you didn't do it. Perhaps your dad, your grandad, your mother or grandmother was; you weren't. Don't take credit. Funnily enough, the same people would not be prepared to do any of those things; yet they claim the glory. Not that this is anything new, nationalism has been around for quite a long time...but at least you used to know the difference between that and patriotism.
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I hear all this, you know, 'Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever.' No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own nobody. You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory and hire someone to protect against this because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.
That's what he said.

What he meant was without government, and lots of government, you couldn't do anything. He got it backwards and was totally wrong. It was people who built stuff, factories, businesses, whatever, and who hired workers and made wealth that allowed them to form and then finance government.
Government didn't spring up, create wealth and infrastructure, and then that allowed private business and industry to flourish.

You might use the Jamestown settlement as an example. It was established, and then through hard work and capital investment it succeeded sufficiently to warrant establishment of a government system to perform certain group functions like defense. Government flowed from private business success, not the other way around.

Obama was dead, flat, wrong.
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Many liberals are rewriting history to show how those enslaved blacks were so much more intelligent than their masters and their criminal behavior including murder was justified. This has become very prominent in film; no more dumb Uncle Toms are allowed on screen. I understand that slavery was never okay. However, I have seen documented evidence that some slaves returned to their slave plantations after being rewarded their freedom. In many cases, slavery was more civil than liberals would like for you to believe.

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Despite all of the commentary against my proposal, it still remains a viable and likely solution to the current social problems.

We already have segments of our population who teach that evolution is wrong and have substituted Creationism for reality.

We already have segments of the population that are eliminating "painful memories" (what a joke - none of them were there to "remember" anything) of the "repression" represented by the Civil War.

We already have rabidly activist segments of our population devoted to white supremacy, so it's only a matter of time before a new history is born, in which slavery is an invention of blacks in order to play whites into providing huge social advantages in the form of quotas, special admissions rules, job preferences and so forth...oops! We already have all of that!

Of course, one day the Hispanics will realize what an advantage it will be to remind the world of their enslavement by the Europeans, and the whole thing will begin again.
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No there really isn't...

But there is, even if it's not at all what he meant. I mean, I am pretty sure Trump was full of **** with his shithole comment, but there was truth in that too.
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But there is, even if it's not at all what he meant. I mean, I am pretty sure Trump was full of **** with his shithole comment, but there was truth in that too.
More truth than Obama's. Obama was arguing in essence that a nation's economy flows from government (a Socialist / Communist view). That's simply wrong. On the other hand, there is at least some truth in Trump's vulgar and coarse statement about the state of some nations.
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Liberals don't have a history; they politicize historical events. Their interpretation of the Native Americans is that the evil whites came over and committied genocide, which is certainly one way to look at it, but it's far from an impartial analysis of events.

Their viewpoints are part of a larger political agenda that says whites are evil, Americans are evil, and that public policy needs to reflect this.

In short, don't take history lessons from a liberal activist.
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